|
Post by gambeir on Feb 14, 2017 16:51:44 GMT -5
got the email, thank you. will try and retrieve my spinning field device from storage today and send you pictures ever look at the electrostatic lifters ? (built from T. Townsend ideas) they are a fun toy, but don't work so well they have a large effect when you first turn them on, but that fades fast (less than 1/30 of a second from my tests) if you stack them they work better. T. Townsend made disk versions that tracked a circle and they worked much better that way. so just looking from that start point it seems as if switching them on all the time very fast would make it work better and might be that they tried to electrically simulate a physically orbiting device. so might be why they decided to make it a rotating pattern on many segments and the counter rotating thing might just be to get rid of the side effects of one field spinning (maybe it made the ship spin (as in reports of clearly broken UFOs)) will think about the other things and comment on them later. Yea, I think we are following the same train of ideas. This is what I was thinking they were doing. They stacked a bunch of pie shapes, each one is like the electrostatic lifter, and yea I know they lost their lift quickly, so because of that there are layers, and the charges are fired off in counter rotation, which BTW is what the drawings show, so if you've got three or four opposed pulsed lifters continuously going, because the charges fire then go to the next section, and so on round the plate, but always maintaining the balance, then you should have a continuously propelled capacitor lifter. Doesn't that sound almost like the forklift thing Clif was talking about in the latest Alta Report? He also said that this thing could lift a lot but only for a short time. Well the power needs would explain that I think, and who knows what level of understanding they are working with, but whatever this electric lifter will turns out to be, it's probably not anywhere near as advanced in the use of dielectric electro-optical materials, and I think that those have to be the real enabling part of this machine, along with how to create a continuously circulating pulse charge that powers that kind of electrogravitic vehicle. I don't know if we got the ARV figured out or not, but I think we are figuring out how to at least create a sustainable electrogravitic lifter. Talking about the pie shapes that are just made from the quartz crystals; there's something there that happens which isn't clear to me yet. What I understand so far is that the Permittivity of those crystal filled pies are what truly "enables" the lifting force, and it's the copper pies that induct the polarization when they are themselves hit with a high energy pulse. Evidently it isn't important whether or not the copper plates are above or below the quartz pies, either way all that's important is the polarity of the charge applied to the copper piles/pies. That would explain having the alternating, above and below copper plates/pies, and how they interact with the cast quartz ones. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permittivity#/media/File:Diel.pngYou know more than I do about some of this but I sense you're right about this being a DC High Voltage pulse. Isn't that what you were first thinking was involved in all this? Seems like this is all starting to make sense. Another thing worth pondering is that each of these pies all point towards this center column. So you've got a point at one end and a broad base at the other, and that's essentially has some qualities like some of the Townsend designs.
|
|
|
Post by gambeir on Feb 14, 2017 19:09:03 GMT -5
So here's my understanding or outline about how the capacitor works. Permittivity is a measure of how an electric field affects, and is affected by, a dielectric medium: (Think Quartz Pies here). Permittivity is directly related to electric susceptibility, which is a measure of how easily a dielectric polarizes in response to an electric field. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PermittivityPermittivity really means how quickly and strongly a dielectric reacts to an electric field. So in a dielectric, an electric field is actually resisted by the dielectric material, and this is where the engineering of space comes in as a modification of the surrounding space in what has been called tensor engineering of space time. This makes sense because a Tensor is tension caused by a magnetic field, and what is an electric current but another kind of magnetic force. A tensor can be thought of as kind of magnetic constriction: Like a rubber band around a tube of toothpaste squeezes the tube, a magnetic field put's tension on a dielectic which causes a polarization of the atomic structure in order to resist the tension. The same effect happens with an electric current. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permittivityen.wikipedia.org/wiki/TensorNow there's more that I've got study but this is basic crux of the idea and you see, I think, that this system is then like a souped up T. Townsend Brown device.
|
|
|
Post by spacecase0 on Feb 15, 2017 1:56:44 GMT -5
the pulsed DC is what I thought was what was going on from the start
I built a magnetic permeability meter long ago for testing, but never a permittivity meter the permeability meter mapped out lots of fields for me, but I know it is only half of the picture
high Permittivity is not like resistance, it is storage of the energy you get it back out later... pretty sure the wiki thing is wrong
|
|
|
Post by spacecase0 on Feb 19, 2017 12:30:03 GMT -5
found something go get a copy of the Energy Unlimited news letter #07 go to page 20 (22 in the PDF) if it is hard to find, I can send it to you. it has to be the easiest version to build of this effect we are looking for yet. the real reason we need this is to build proper test equipment to detect this sort of field edit: found an easy to find copy amasci.com/freenrg/morton1.htmllooking for more he may have wrote... EDit: I would likely use a hole cut in a thick Styrofoam plate and put the metal outside that (maybe grounded) and a sharp point on the VandeGraaff generator makes a spark leave very easy. Edit again: tried the idea out, used a copper electrode that is movable inside a PVC pipe as an insulator, and aluminum foil on the outside felt the wind he talked of and managed to charge an electroscope at a distance. did not have much of a high voltage power supply (I removed it's filter capacitors so the arc over frequency would be higher), so it was not super strong, but it did seem to work. this is sure a good start point
|
|
|
Post by spacecase0 on Feb 23, 2017 22:29:09 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by gambeir on Feb 26, 2017 8:05:12 GMT -5
I hadn't seen that before. Thanks, looks interesting and want to read it in detail, but right now I'm reading amasci.com/freenrg/morton1.htmlWith that information I'm going to have do some research. That's some very interesting information. Just look at the new drawing I emailed you. This is something I had not heard of before. This mirrors the rotating tubes, which are vortex like, which is itself a kind of mini-history of mechanical invention for accelerating things. Together with this new information this might be significant, especially since he reports the velocity was only about a meter per second. See, a rotating spiral is one of the best forms for mechanically accelerating something. It makes sense because there must be a rational reason for the vortex structure of nature. Therefore, to create a moving electrical charge while keeping it in one place you spin the cable, and to do that you make a vortex like wire structure around a tube which is then spun. So this makes a lot of sense. "An electric field is altered by velocity. Theoretically this is not possible except near the speed of light, yet this effect took place at a velocity of about 1 meter per second." & "increase repulsion electric force ahead of the moving charge but to decrease attraction" A brikeland current is a series of charges isolated inside magnetic rings which spiral around in a vortex and in opposition to one another. It's like space wires but coaxial like, and evidently there can be tubes in tubes in tubes. It seems like this other information is telling us more; things not recognized about those forms of space energy. I called the center column a synthetic brikeland current, or an electric tornado, but whatever it is, what it seems to be doing is harvesting energy. Maybe there's a reason your thoughts center round the wimshurst because I think those kind of things don't happen accidentally: Universe is telling you something I think. See I think the alternative energy crowd got tunnel vision. They have not been thinking of harvesting energy, yet energy is all around us, look at these links. ionpowergroup.com/how-it-works-on-earth/peter-thomson.com/tornado/fusion/Charge_sheath_vortex_basics_for_tornado.htmlwww.everythingselectric.com/birkeland-currents/The ring that the disk sits in is supposed to be a kind of antenna. A natural antenna for energy collection is an spinning disk, that is an accretion disk according to astrophysics, but there's some weirdness going on with these. Jupiter and Saturn have rings, rings which may act as accretion disks pulling in energy and converting that to matter, or in their case gas. Hmm...so if you had these tubes with the twisted cables, and gave them each a charge, and isolated each/or the whole inside of a magnetic field, and probably for safety since this would likely be extreme voltages, and the magnetic field, which are these rings that surround the outer tube, and which may be inside once more because we really don't know, but keeping each charged polarity apart, and then spun these in opposition, maybe when they are connected to leads going to the rings that the disk is made up of it acts like a commutator to the surrounding atmosphere and sucks in charges. The disk acts as the primer, and thereafter as the field of matter that helps draw in the charged atmosphere, or maybe it just stops then acts as the deck for the crew. Maybe it does double duty. See I think Telsa thought about tornado's as electrical charges. I think that the main reason crap goes flying off is not because of the wind, but because a tornado can put a repulsive charge to almost any object which the earth then repels. I posted a video and some of the same info a while back on the other forum when Allen used to be part of our old crowd. I think if you study some of the video's you see that it looks like cars and people start to become kind of buoyant and then suddenly they go flying off. The only ones that seem to stay on the ground are those whom physically hug the ground. They ground themselves out this way. That whole idea seemed to be rejected as too far fetched but I don't think so. Look at video's to see what actually happens.
|
|
|
Post by spacecase0 on Feb 26, 2017 13:30:29 GMT -5
remember back to the dimensions that smith talked of. electricity is a divergent spin field. so if he is correct, then a tornado is electric field, and that can sure pick things up that are not grounded.
so this morning I tested to see if this new field generator would induce something measurable (other than the electroscope), and it seemed not to mess with gravity, or the magnetic permeability, it is to bright in the room for the output of my time shift detector to be seen, so I will have to wait for tonight for that one. but I could still feel it through cardboard, so it is not actual wind I feel from it. will have to try a spinning vortex and a magnetic coil together and see what I get. but it is pretty clear that what I have set up right now is a very weak field, so I will have to work on better ways of making it. thank you for your ideas, I knew you would find things that I had not thought of
|
|
|
Post by gambeir on Feb 26, 2017 18:13:41 GMT -5
remember back to the dimensions that smith talked of. electricity is a divergent spin field. so if he is correct, then a tornado is electric field, and that can sure pick things up that are not grounded. so this morning I tested to see if this new field generator would induce something measurable (other than the electroscope), and it seemed not to mess with gravity, or the magnetic permeability, it is to bright in the room for the output of my time shift detector to be seen, so I will have to wait for tonight for that one. but I could still feel it through cardboard, so it is not actual wind I feel from it. will have to try a spinning vortex and a magnetic coil together and see what I get. but it is pretty clear that what I have set up right now is a very weak field, so I will have to work on better ways of making it. thank you for your ideas, I knew you would find things that I had not thought of If electricity is a divergent spin field, a time divergent spin is what you're telling me if I understand you correctly, then the gist of what happens is that the matter in it's field of influence becomes time displaced. That idea is about the same as the gist of what I gather is the conventional explanation for what occurs with this business of tensors, which is in the PDF that McClandlish refered to arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1204/1204.2184.pdfAntigravity, according to those in conventional speak, is just about saying the same thing, but in a vastly more complex and extremely hard to understand way. So what I gather is that they are essentially saying that you alter time, in their words spacetime, by altering tensors, which is another pain in the butt concept, and in their view this takes vast amounts of energy. People of influence like Harold E. Puthoff, who has written on this topic in the above PDF and others which address this idea, use their conventional educations to make sense of the reality they know, such as how UFO's might work. Yet the available information suggests that great amounts of energy are all around us, and that it's likely a measure of how we cross connect or cause exchanges to these fields which induces alterations in time and space, and this is what John Hutchinson shows us. So there are tubes of energy which flow to the earth and through the galaxy and which are responsible for unexpected and unexplained events, and which are also sources of energy that power the Universe. Now to go back to the link you posted from David and the cones he was working on from Russell, those cone things are cones in cones, and if you think about that there are similarities to the tubes, and not just tubes in tubes, but the spinning vortex of electricity inside those tubes are also similar. A cone is a gravitational way to accelerate something into a hyper spin state, it increases it's rate of spin as it is compressed into the center of the decreasing vortex, or conversely it can slow down as the cone expands outwards. A cone increases or decreases the rate of spin while a vortex or spiral tube controls the rate of flow. Now put the two together: Spin a spiral vortex tube and feed the energy into a cone. BTW these guys have some video's also. ionpowergroup.com/proof-of-concept-clips/Now that I understand more I have to go over their material to see what I can.
|
|
|
Post by spacecase0 on Feb 26, 2017 19:47:21 GMT -5
I tend to think that spacetime is a broken idea, science is all about isolating factors and how they change things spacetime is all about the combination of 2 ideas as one idea. that is just fine if they were 2 ideas to start with and stayed that way, but they were mixed, and so deeply mixed that it would never be questioned in schools again why has quantum physics been funded for so long ? seems to me that it was a broken idea that lead to no where the control grid had long ago figured out real physics, but did not want us finding it, so they funded the "other direction" it gets me, good ideas of how things work are crushed when offering ideas with mixed components why would you break your measuring tape over some other dimension ? if we are going to just drop all distinction, lets just call it space/time/effort/currency/mileage/immigrant labor/inflation/price of poo/gold price now that should show up with some fascinating math that should keep at least a few generations busy... factors is an idea for a reason broken math just shows you that someone got something wrong and the idea of space time has been dis proven www.andrijar.com/therel/not debunked (an emotional attack on facts (debunking), but an actual disproof ) ionpowergroup.com/proof-of-concept-clips/ shows up to me as a blank. either hidden content or some other thing going on, but I can't see anything there (by the way, my favorite website ever is about:blank )
|
|
|
Post by spacecase0 on Feb 27, 2017 18:13:34 GMT -5
I read this and had someone else read this, appears to be written by 2 people (writing style changed for one section) also seems as if several elements are not accurate I am giving up on it and moving on to other things. as an update to that field I was playing with. I setup up 2 crystal oscillators about 5 inches apart and check the difference between the 2 frequencies, they are almost the same, but when the 2 outputs are connected to an LED light, it flashes about 2 times a second. so I can tell if one oscillator is running fast or slow. and did not get any change from it. yet I still feel that wind that is clearly not wind so the only way I can detect it is electrostatically
|
|
|
Post by gambeir on Feb 28, 2017 0:15:58 GMT -5
First of all, what we want is to just to be able to make a simple power station. This is what my objective is. To create a power station you can build at home.
I think I understand the basics well enough now that this objective may begin with some greater seriousness. I envision this being a rudimentary system, capable of being built by most people, and certainly something which a cottage industry could arise out of from anyone half way skilled, and which should be capable of being made out of scrap material.
I'm sure there's a lot which needs to be corrected in this but here is what I believe is happening in the ARV.
The first part is that ions from the surrounding environment, be it space or the atmosphere, are picked up by the antenna by RF. These ions are attracted by the disk and pass through the antenna, which feeds them into the center column where they are separated. Separation of charges begins with the tube structures.
A fluid conductor, Mercury for example, is the conductor for the raw energy before being separated. This conductor flows throughout the center column. That is, it is not separated but is flowing throughout by interconnections, via holes at each end of the columns, and it needs to do this so as to accomplish the function of allowing each column to collect the respective charges that are mixed up in it, and which it is carrying from the antenna.
*Note Here: That is pure speculation. I could be entirely wrong. Separation could begin at the Antenna at each ring.
As with the Wimshurst or other similar collectors, there is a sort of accretion disk action going on with the disc, because here I think it is the job of this disc to be pulling the ions in and through the antenna which picks up most of them (*I think). Again, as I previously stated, this disk may only act to begin the process. It's possible that once there is a functioning draw of ions being picked up by the antenna that the system becomes a kind of electrical vacuum which is self sustaining, and which could be controlled power wise by the speed of rotation of the inner columns.
This isn't really overunity. It's just that the amount of energy being collected is done in such a way that it exceeds the demand needed to feed the motors which undoubtedly power the spin/rotation of the tubes themselves.
Each tube (*per drawings I sent you the other day) have a set of cables (Copper/Aluminum/Gold/Silver =Conductors of some type) which are formed on the tubes in a spiral. Each tube has an opposing spiral conductor because one is the positive and one is negative. This where the separation of charges begin.
I say begins because the next part seems to be that this quartz which is electro-optical has both left and right hand patterns, which translate into a changed polarity of electricity. Thus, as the positive and negative charges are collected, the respective tubes each have their own matrix of correctly patterned quartz which further changes the polarity to the correct field for each tube.
It's unclear to me right now how this all happening precisely but I sense that this is the basic outline. For example, if I am right about the purpose for the mercury being a primary charge carrier, that its all mixed up with charges, then the transfer of positive and negative charges to their respective spiral tubes is not entirely clear. I have more to read on electro-optically active crystals, and which includes mercury acting as a kind of crystal, and it's the patterns in the crystals which determine whether there is a right handed electro optical effect, or a left handed electro-optical effect.
It's possible that the enabling part is the quartz. It may be that the crystal patterns are what act as the magnets to a respective polarity and which is collecting those from the mercury matrix flowing throughout the column, and which then feeds those into the conductor cables which spiral around the tubes' shell.
|
|
|
Post by spacecase0 on Feb 28, 2017 13:22:45 GMT -5
the people that built the ARV had an example to recreate. our job is much harder. I have to say how the optical quarts is integrated has me a bit lost if all you want is a free energy generator, we have plans for that. been built and verified by several others www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16565-steele-braden-generator.htmljust needs to be scaled up tell me what you think of it and a potentially related solid state version, (not yet tested by others as far as I know) jnaudin.free.fr/cstack/index.htmthe tesla coil as tesla built them (pulsed DC) also pulled extra energy out of nature, but needed to be run at high power levels to do so seems as if the ARV is the same energy, just done much smaller and neater, I wonder if the tesla coil uses the earth spinning, and the ARV makes it's own spin.
|
|
|
Post by gambeir on Feb 28, 2017 15:13:06 GMT -5
Interestingly I have that page from energetic already bookmarked, but with hundreds of bookmarks it's lost unless I really searched for it, so having you bring this back up is useful. I will have to review this once more because I now have some new ideas with which to make some sense of these things. However a quick scan shows it could be useful.
However, this device embodies field dynamics. What these guys aren't getting I think is how field dynamics has to do with the way materials interact upon one another. This is what I'm beginning to gather out of what I've learned from being involved in this ARV reverse engineering probe, and it's been quite interesting and informative actually.
Wave forms are the result of interactions though the natural world. Electro-optical materials, like say quartz, bends light and when it is doing that it is changing the polarity field for that optically reactive light wave, which includes electro-optical waves like electricity.
Quartz/mica and other things like mercury act as a crystals which react with electrically optical waves. In other words they can change the way a light ray moves, and they do this by changes to the polarity fields. Most materials don't alter the polarity fields of light rays, but these do, and that translates in to the ability to change, at will evidently, the polarity charge of a given field of energy.
Now, the way this works, and as I understand it so far, is that most ions have a neutral charge generally speaking. Some are more one way than the other, positive or negative, but the idea seems to be that by using one or more methods, and with materials like quartz, their polarity of the charge is bent towards which ever side there is a predisposition towards. It's also quite possible that the ions are just given respective polarity as a result of being fed into or pulled through the quartz matrix.
See, the matrix of quartz has either a left handed or right handed pattern. These crystal patterns are electrically active, that is they can alter the wave forms of electrically optical waves, which is electricity, and so a specific pattern in crystal form shapes the charge polarity to the left or right. In other words, it's moving it towards the positive or the negative.
What I currently think is that the current fed through a cable embedded in a matrix of suitable pattern, be it left handed or right handed, pulls the ions through this and bends their polarity to shape it to which ever charge is desired. Hope you're following this idea.
I have to make a some more drawings. You did check you mail right? I sent you a more refined drawing, same thing to jhpace1 of the central column. Those drawings were made off the descriptions taken by supposed abductee's and are in one of the two video's on the ARV. So I froze the video's and sketched out the drawings in order to make my own so that I am not using anyone else's work.
|
|
|
Post by spacecase0 on Feb 28, 2017 22:30:15 GMT -5
I did get a drawing from you of an expanded core, disk and the rest. arrows showing each direction of spin, a note at the bottom. or was there another one ? I did not see any more in my email (goes to my phone, and it is very fast)
I am pretty sure I get what you are talking about now, and I also want to go back and look at older things with the new ideas in my mind
|
|
|
Post by gambeir on Mar 1, 2017 0:07:44 GMT -5
I did get a drawing from you of an expanded core, disk and the rest. arrows showing each direction of spin, a note at the bottom. or was there another one ? I did not see any more in my email (goes to my phone, and it is very fast) I am pretty sure I get what you are talking about now, and I also want to go back and look at older things with the new ideas in my mind Yea, you got the new drawing I did. There's another part involved which appear to be kinds of antenna for transferring power at or around the base and a ring of sorts which is at the very base and rotates in opposition to the center column. Might be a motor running some planetary gears or sun gear like drives which power the various tubes rotational speeds because something has to, but right now I'm not making a lot of sense to the arrangement over all. I don't know much of anything about antenna's but I'm starting to poke into the subject as this is a critical part to the system for both collection and distribution of energy. Here's something to note. The abductees say there is a spiral silvery fluid in the central column. I think the column is plexiglass. It cannot be hot, it's only job is to contain the mercury which is carrying the charges collected from the surrounding environment, most of which are neutrally charged. I sense that one tube is collecting positive charges while the other collects the negative charges. Something to remember here about this collection process and the formation of clouds. *Energy attracts matter & matter covers energy. This is a short video. It demonstrates that when a tube of energy strikes the atmosphere, a brikeland tube of energy, it creates a circular hole cloud, and these clouds grow. Now if you had a machine like the ARV doing this, which is pulling in matter to an electrical tornado system, then you should get a similar result, and in addition you might have an optical invisibility effect so that all you see is a circular hole growing into a cloud. This exact thing has been seen and photographed by mystified people. Now you have an explanation for how and what is doing that. Firstly by nature in the form of electrical currents from space, and secondly and independently when a curious ring cloud forms and then grows into a cloud, or possibly just disappears as the vehicle warps off or whatever. www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbUwxG9hIvIThe over all concept seems pretty simple once you get this idea that certain crystalline shapes reshape the polarity field. I have a lot to read on this and make no mistake, it's going to be filled with disinformation on purpose, and designed to not lead you into thinking how to control the polarity of electrical charges. Wikipedia can always be counted on to demonstrate this fact. Often times many layers are applied and it doesn't seem to just be accidental, and when you get that sense, it's then that you realize you must on the right trail, because obfuscations to such important ideas cannot be accidental. This means that a lot of information must be dug through, and then it usually takes some time before you can make a mental connection between topics. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro-opticsen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro-optic_effectI really think we are getting the basic conceptual idea behind this machine down. When Hiller Aviation was involved in this they were hiring people who had expertise in fields totally unrelated to aviation, and worked on mysterious black projects, then Hiller supposedly went under after Huges Aircraft underbid them for the light army helicopter, which Huges lost money on, Howard Huges lost money for every single helicopter he made for the Army. Now how likely is that to happen? Seriously we are expected to believe that? So a cover story was created to explain the disappearance of Hiller Aviation from history: The story is deeply suspicious. Hiller was one the leading pioneers in helicopters and was at the forefront for radical military R&D from the beginning. What are the odds that they would allow a company like that to be lost? Well it's zero, and if you look at what they were working on just before disappearing it's the magic flying carpet called the flying platform. The most stable flying machine ever created and what does it resemble? Oh ya know, a UFO. I'll bet that the ARV was made by Hiller Aviation. Point is, here we are now almost 70 years later repeating their line of study in fields which have nothing to do with aviation but while working on deciphering how a flying machine works. We are on the right track I'm quite sure. Another point here is that the field of study into electrically optical crystals is a relatively new field. I think it began in the 1960's officially, so that's just not accidental, and it's cloaked behind other uses and of course never ever, ever, ever, suggests the ability to control or create or change the polarity fields of electrical energy. Now, what's the main problem with every overunity device? Oh, would that be back EMF? So what if you could eliminate that by placing a crystal form between critical parts? BTW, I do think now that this does seem to be a Townsend inspired Ship. Also when you add on information like the kind you supplied here; amasci.com/freenrg/morton1.html the whole idea does seem to take on an increasing likely hood of reality. I find it really hard to to think that this guy McCandlish could have invented all this out of his mind based on his knowledge of aviation and technology. I don't think that is possible. I think he has drawn what he was told, and that the people he's talked to are giving him the best information they can, and that information describes parts to a device which incorporates ideas and knowledge too far afield for any average or even above average genius to pull from thin air. These descriptions are describing parts to a machine which can be mentally compiled into a working theoretical model based on scientific ideas and knowledge. I think the McCandlish drawing is fundamentally accurate for those reasons, and If I'm right about the basic ideas then I think we have pretty well figured it out conceptually. The technical parts will take time to figure out.
|
|